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My 24th G-Grandfather
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (53:27), (54:28), (60:27), (236:8). Saher IV had a public life w hich was busy and important. He served King Richard I and KING JOHN in Normandy in 1197-9 and his position in Scottish society made him a fit person to conduct KING WILLIAM THE LION to meet KING JOHN in 1200. During the war with France he was captured, but raised a ransom and returned to England. Created Earl of Winchester, about 1206-7, he remained active in royal affairs: he served in the exchequer, acted as justice in many counties and travelled abroad on the king's business, to Scotland, Ireland and Germany. In 1209, he had with him in Scotland a force of 100 knights and 100 sergeants. While baronial oppositon to KING JOHN grew stronger, Saher remained loyal to the king, but joined the confederate barons a month of so before the granting of Magna Carta in June 1215. In 1216, he went to France to invite PRINCE LOUIS to England and as a result the crown confiscated his estates. After taking part in several military expeditions on behalf of LOUIS, Earl Saher was defeated and captured by the royal forces at Lincoln on 20 May 1217. Soon afterwards he returned to his allegiance and was given back his lands. In January 1219, he despatched a ship from Galloway to collect at Bristol necessaries for the journey he proposed to make to Jerusalem. Following his father's example, he duly became a Crusader, but fell ill and died at Damietta, on November 1219, and was buried at Acre. Before his death, he commanded that his heart should be taken back to England for burial in Garendon Abbey, Leicestershire. One event in Saher's private life was largely responsible for raising him to the position of public importance which he held. This was his marriage, the most brilliant match so far achieved by any member of the family. His wife was MARGARET, daughter of ROBERT DE BEAUMONT, third earl of Leicester, sister and co-heir of Robert 'Fitz Pernel', fourth Earl of Leicester. The date of this important marriage is unknown. The most obvious effect of the marriage on the Quincy family was that it brought great additions to their estates. On the death of MARGARET's brother, Robert Fitz Pernel, in 1204, Saher IV became, in right of his wife, co-heir to the estates of the honours of Leicester and Grandmesnil. The other co-heir was SIMON DE MONTFORT, husband of MARGARET's sister AMICE, and grandfather of the famous Simon de Montfort, Earl of Leicester. The Leicester estates were vast and lay mainly in the English midlands, particularly of course in Leicestershire. To the Scottish and English estates which he had inherited from his father, Saher and MaARGARET thus added lands many times the value of the ancestral holding. The Earls of Leicester, who took their origin from ROGER DE BEAUMONT, one of WILLIAM THE CONQUERER's Normans, had also possessed considerable French estates, particularly in Eure, where lay the Beaumont which provided some members of the family with a surname. But these Norman estates passed from the family in 1204 when AMICE DE MONTFORT resigned to PHILIP AUGUSTUS the castle of Breteuil, dep. Eure, the caput of the earls' Norman honour, and with it everything that the last earl held in Normandy. At the same time AMICE undertook to indemnify her sister MARGARET, Saher's wife, out of the English estates and guaranteed that MARGARET would raise no claim to the French properties. Although Saher and MARGARET seem thus to have been denied any share in the French lands of the earls of Leicester, which PHILIP AUGUSTUS added to his own demesne, the upheavals caused by KING JOHN's loss of Normandy may have left the question open. When in 1206-7 Saher and MARGARET came to divide the Leicester lands with AMICE and SIMON DE MONTFORT, it was agreed that Saher should have *40 of land per annum from SIMON's share until SIMON put Saher in possession of his due portion of the Leicester lands in Normandy. This arrangement may have been the origin of a Quincy claim to Norman estates which apparently survived, after Saher's death, as part of the Quincy family inheritance. Nevertheless, Beaumont estates in England were a rich prize for Saher, not only in themselves, but also since it was because he possessed half of the Leicester lands that he was created earl of Winchester about 1206-7, at the time of the partition. His earldom was considered to be equivalent to the earldom of Southampton, from which county he received *10 a year _nomine comitis_, although he held no lands in the county. For the third time a Quincy had married well--so well that he was raised to the peerage. The family had moved rapidly up the social scale since the day, some eighty years before, when Saher I held one and a half fees in Long Buckby. Marriage to a Beaumont also opened up for the Quincys a new and wide range of family connections, which were always important within a social structure which depended greatly on the links of family with family and generation with generation. Partition of the Leicester inheritance put Saher on a level with the great Montfort family, and links with them survived under Earl ROGER, who, for example, made a grant to the nunnery of Pre'aux, dep. Eure, in conjunction with Simon de Montfort, Earl of Leicester, and resigned to that Earl, 'his dearest kinsman', the Advowson and site of Garendon, Leics.
Sahier had two sons named Robert. The older married Hawise of Chester, but was in rebellian a t the time of his death, and so his line was passed over for the Quincy inheritance. -- Todd Farmerie
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Saher de Quincy, b. 1155, d. 3 Nov 1219, 1st Earl of Winchester, Magna Charta Surety 1215, Cr usader 1219, son of Robert de Quincy, d. c 1198, Lord of Buckley and of Fawside, Crusader; m. Orabella, daughter of Ness; and grandson of Maud de St. Liz by her 2nd husband, Saher de Quincy of Buckley and Daventry. [Ancestral Roots] ------------------------------------ Saier de Quincy, Magna Charta Surety 1215, b. 1155, d. Damietta, 3 Nov 1219, 1st Earl of Winchester 1207-1219, crusader 1219; m. bef. 1173 Margaret de Beaumont, d. probably on 12 Jan but bef. 12 Feb 1234/5, daughter of Robert, 3rd Earl of Leicester. [Magna Charta Sureties] --------------------------------------- Saier de Quincy was created Earl of Winchester by King John about the year 1210. This nobleman was one of the lords present at Lincoln when William, King of Scotland, did homage to the English monarch, and he subsequently obtained large grants and immunities from King John; when, however, the baronial war broke out, his lordship's pennant waved on the side of freedom and he became so eminent amongst those sturdy chiefs that he was chosen one of the celebrated twenty-five barons appointed to enforce the observance of Magna Carta. Adhering to the same party after the accession of Henry III, the Earl of Winchester had a principal command at the battle of Lincoln and, there being defeated, was taken prisoner by the royalists. But submitting in the following October, he had restitution of all his lands and proceeded soon after, in company with the Earls of Chester and Arundel and others of the nobility, to the Holy Land where he assisted at the siege of Damietta, anno 1219, and d. the same year in his progress towards Jerusalem. His lordship m. Margaret, younger sister and co-heir of Robert Fitz-Parnell, Earl of Leicester, by which alliance he acquired a very considerable inheritance, and had issue, Robert, Roger, and Robert. At the decease of the earl, his 2nd son, Roger de Quincy, had livery of his father's estates. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 447, Quincy, Earls of Winchester]
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