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Deskin, Ratledge, Faulkner and Others
by Darren Deskin

Elizabeth Filmer ¹

Birth:	Unknown ¹
Death:	Unknown ¹
Sex:	F
Father:	Reginald Filmer
Mother:	Elizabeth Argall

Reference: 15788

Spouses & Children

John Faulkner (Husband) b. About 1625 in England

Children:
Francis Faulkner b. About 1648 in England Thomas Faulkner b. 1655 in England John Faulkner b. 1665 in England

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Some researchers have said that the Elizabeth John Faulkner married was Elizabeth Filmer. Some of them have attempted to make a connection between John or one of the other Faulkners and Sir Edward Filmer, whose daughter Elizabeth married a William Faulkner "citizen and draper of London." While the marriage of William Faulkner and Elizabeth Filmer is documented, I have not yet seen a proven connection between them and John Faulkner who arrived at Hog Pen Neck in 1665.

As a part of the effort to determine the identity of Elizabeth, James Falkner wrote on October 31, 1998 noting that some researchers had suggested that John Faulkner was from a Welsh branch of the family. He noted that the marriage of Elizabeth Filmer to William Faulkner, citizen and draper of London, is documented by the wills of her parents, Sir Edward Filmer and Dame Elizabeth. William Faulkner and Elizabeth Filmer were married February 6, 1620 at St. Benet's Church in London. During Correspondence with a priest of the Church of England, James Falkner inquired about St. Benet's Church and received this reply:

"St. Benet's Church is located at Paul's Wharf on Upper Thames Street on the site of an earlier 12th Century church which was destroyed during the Great Fire of London. The later church, built by Wren, was opened in 1683. In 1879, the parish was united that of St. Nicholas, Cole Abbey and St. Benet's because the church was due to be demolished. However, it became the London church of the Welsh Episcopalians and now goes under the grand title of the Welsh Church within the Church of England, London Diocese. The church has survived but the services are now held entirely in Welsh." James Faulkner added, this may show that there is a grain of truth to earlier suggestions of John Faulkner's Welsh connections. It does not, however, prove that John Faulkner from whom we are descended married Elizabeth Filmer or that he was Welsh.

In January 2000, Warren Tyndale Faulkner reported to Ken Parker that Sir Edward Filmer and his wife, Elizabeth Argall, had 18 children. This includes a daughter named Elizabeth. Elizabeth married William Faulkner "citizen and draper of London", and had a son John Faulkner. Another child of Sir Edward and Dame Elizabeth is Reginald Filmer. He married Jane Travis. They had a daughter named Elizabeth in honor of Dame Elizabeth. According to Warren Faulkner, John Faulkner (son of Elizabeth Filmer and William Faulkner) married his cousin Elizabeth (daughter of Reginal Filmer and Jane Travis). It is they who are the John and Elizabeth who came to America in 1665.

Ken believes that Warren Faulkner's information is plausible. However, he has been unable to find any proof of this connection. Ken believes that the wills of Sir Edward Filmer and Dame Elizabeth suggest strongly that their daughter Elizabeth and her husband, William had no children.

Sir Edward's will was dated 20 October Th Charles I (1629) and was proved on 5 December 1629. It leaves "to my daughter, Elizabeth, wife of William Faulkner, citizen and draper of London, if she survives her husband 500 pounds, but if the said husband survives said Elizabeth, then to her children 300 pounds, equally divided. If she dies without issue, then to her husband 20 pounds."

Dame Elizabeth's will is dated 23 March 1635 with a codicil dated 2 August 1638. It was proved 16 August 1638. It leaves 10 pounds to Dame Elizabeth's daughter Elizabeth Faulconer and 40 shillings to son-in-law William Faulconer, draper. It mentions a number of grandchildren (including Elizabeth, the daughter of Reginald and jane0< but it does not mention any Faulconer grandchildren. Ken then assumes that Elizabeth Filmer and William Faulkner were childless in 1638. If they were childless in 1638, 189 years after their marriage, it appears unlikely they would have had children after that date.

In June 1999, Julian Fortner wrote Ken Parker that Reginald was the fourth son of Edward Filmer and Elizabeth Argall. He said Dame Elizabeth's will, published 2 August 1638, left 10 pounds "to my daughter-in-law Jane, wife of my son Reginald" and 40 shillings each to Jane's daughters, Elizabeth and Ann. This indicates Reginald died prior to the date of the will. Julian Fortner cited Lothrop Withington's "Virginia Gleanings in England."
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Some researchers have said that the Elizabeth that John Faulkner married was Elizabeth Filmer. Some of them have attempted to make a connection between John or one of the other Faulkners and Sir Edward Filmer, whose daughter Elizabeth married a William Faulkner "citizen and draper of London." While the marriage of William Faulkner and Elizabeth Filmer is documented, I have waited for a proven connection between them and John Faulkner who arrived at Hog Pen Neck in 1665.

In January 2000, Warren Tyndale Faulkner reported finding that connection. He says that Sir Edward Filmer and his wife, Elizabeth Argall, had 18 children, including a daughter Elizabeth, who married William Faulkner "citizen and draper of London" and had a son, John Faulkner. Another child of Sir Edward and Dame Elizabeth is Reginald Filmer, who married Jane Travis and had a daughter named Elizabeth. According to Warren Faulkner, John Faulkner (son of Elizabeth Filmer and William Faulkner) married his cousin Elizabeth (daughter of Reginald Filmer and Jane Travis), and they are the John and Elizabeth Faulkner who came to America in 1665.

Warren Faulkner's information is plausible, but I have not yet seen proof of this connection. For one thing, the wills of Sir Edward Filmer and Dame Elizabeth and of William Faulkner, draper, suggest strongly that Elizabeth Filmer and her husband, William Faulkner, had no children.

Sir Edward's will was dated 20 October Vth Charles I (1629) and was proved 5 December 1629. It leaves "to my daughter, Elizabeth, wife of William Faulkner, citizen and draper of London, if she survives her husband," 500 pounds, but "if the said husband survives said Elizabeth, then to her children 300 pounds, equally divided. If she dies without issue, then to her husband 20 pounds." Dame Elizabeth's will is dated 23 March 1635 with a codicil dated 2 August 1638. It was proved 16 August 1638. It leaves 10 pounds to Dame Elizabeth's daughter Elizabeth Faulconer and 40 shillings to son-in-law William Faulconer, draper. It mentions a number of grandchildren (including Elizabeth, the daughter of Reginold and Jane), but it does not mention any Faulconer grandchildren. So I assume that Elizabeth Filmer and her husband William Faulkner were childless in 1638. If they were childless in 1638, 18 years after their marriage, it appears unlikely they would have had children after that date.

In June 1999, Julian Fortner wrote that Reginald was the fourth son of Edward Filmer and Elizabeth Argall. He said Dame Elizabeth's will, published 2 August 1638, left 10 pounds "to my daughter-in-law Jane, wife of my son Reginald" and 40 shillings each to Jane's daughters, Elizabeth and Ann. This indicates Reginald died prior to the date of the will. Julian Fortner cites Lothrop Withington's "Virginia Gleanings in England."

In August 2001, Julian Fortner reports also that the will of William Faulconer, draper, was written in 1638 and does not mention children. The will mentions his wife, Elizabeth, his sister, Elizabeth, wife of Robert Mills, his brother, Launcelot, and his cousins, Henry and Edward Faulconer. The will also mentions debts in Ireland and says that Sir Edward Filmer made "answer in chancery" in the trinity session 1627/28 concerning the marriage of William and Elizabeth. Julian Fortner says William Faulconer, draper, died abroad, but he does not know when or where.

This would seem to corroborate the idea from Sir Edward's and Dame Elizabeth's wills that William Faulkner and his wife, Elizabeth, had no children in 1638. We do not know when William died, but it would seem that, if children were born after 1638, there would be at least a codicil providing for guardianship and bequests to the children.

The John Faulkner who arrived at Hog Pen Neck in 1665 is supposed to have been born about 1625, 13 years before the wills of William Faulconer, draper, and Dame Elizabeth were drawn.

As a part of the effort to determine the identity of Elizabeth, James Falkner wrote 31 October 1998 noting that some researchers had suggested that John Faulkner was from a Welsh branch of the family. He noted that the marriage of Elizabeth Filmer to William Faulkner, citizen and draper of London, is documented by the wills of her parents, Sir Edward Filmer and Dame Elizabeth. William Faulkner and Elizabeth Filmer were married 6 February 1620 at St. Benet's Church in London. During correspondence with a priest of the Church of England, James Falkner inquired about St. Benet's Church and received this reply: "St. Benet's Church is located at Paul's Wharf on Upper Thames Street on the site of an earlier 12th Century church which was destroyed during the Great Fire of London. The later church, built by Wren, was opened in 1683. In 1879 the parish was united with that of St. Nicholas, Cole Abbey and St. Benet's because the church was due to be demolished. However, it became the London church of the Welsh Episcopalians and now goes under the grand title of the Welsh Church within the Church of England, London Diocese. The church has survived, but the services are now held entirely in Welsh."

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