Lorenz was b ca 1730 in Binsdorf, Germany. He m. Barbara SIBER b ca 1735 in Erkheim, Germany. Their son, Ludwig was b 1735 in Pottaschensieder, Germany and d 1839 in Binsdorf. Ludwig m. 1779, Magdalena BAJLER who was b ca 1750 in Buradinger and d 1811 in Binsdorf. If you have any information on this family, please contact Bobby Troup at BobbyTrap@aol.com.